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(1955) + [pdf]</a><span class="sitebit comhead"> (<a + href="from?site=uchicago.edu"><span + class="sitestr">uchicago.edu</span></a>)</span></td> + </tr> + <tr> + <td colspan="2"></td> + <td class="subtext"> + <span class="score" id="score_20724363">62 points</span> by <a + href="user?id=aidanrocke" class="hnuser">aidanrocke</a> <span + class="age"><a href="item?id=20724363">7 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724363"></span> | <a + href="hide?id=20724363&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363">hide</a> + | <a + href="https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Can%20we%20survive%20technology%3F&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=story&storyText=false&prefix&page=0" + class="hnpast">past</a> | <a + href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Can%20we%20survive%20technology%3F">web</a> + | <a + href="fave?id=20724363&auth=33b19c1c456d816b8130681d8038bc03659e9883">favorite</a> + | <a href="item?id=20724363">35 comments</a> </td> + </tr> + <tr style="height:10px"></tr> + <tr> + <td colspan="2"></td> + <td> + <form method="post" action="comment"><input type="hidden" + name="parent" value="20724363"><input type="hidden" + name="goto" value="item?id=20724363"><input type="hidden" + name="hmac" + value="6dded8f4002c4457bd16a43bce4e31883a75505c"><textarea + name="text" rows="6" cols="60"></textarea> + <br><br><input type="submit" value="add comment"></form> + </td> + </tr> + </table><br><br> + <table border="0" class='comment-tree'> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724657'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724657' + href='vote?id=20724657&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=erostrate" + class="hnuser">erostrate</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20724657">6 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724657"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724657)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">"The carbon dioxide + released into the atmosphere by industry's + burning of coal and oil-—more than half of it during + the last generation—may have changed the + atmosphere's composition sufficiently to account + for a general warming of the world by about one degree + Fahrenheit."<p>"Even in an airplane the + number of vacuum tubes now approaches or exceeds a + thousand. Other machines, containing up to 10,000 + vacuum tubes, up to five times more crystals, and + possibly more than 100,000 cores, now operate + faultlessly over long periods, performing many + millions of regulated, preplanned actions per + second, with an expectation of only a few errors per + day or week. Many such machines have been built to + perform complicated scientific and engineering + calculations and large scale accounting and + logistical surveys. There is no doubt that they will + be used for elaborate industrial process control, + logistical, economic, and other + planning"</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724657&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724657">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724640'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724640' + href='vote?id=20724640&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=the-dude" class="hnuser">the-dude</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20724640">6 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724640"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="10" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724640)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">"The carbon dioxide + released into the atmosphere by industry's + burning of coal and oil-—more than half of it during + the last generation—may have changed the + atmosphere's composition sufficiently to account + for a general warming of the world by about one degree + Fahrenheit. "<p>edit : this PDF looks like it has + been scanned, but the text is selectable. Not sure I + have seen this before.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724640&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724640">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724763'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724763' + href='vote?id=20724763&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"> + <span class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=IceWreck" class="hnuser">IceWreck</a> + <span class="age"> + <a href="item?id=20724763">5 hours ago</a> + </span> + <span id="unv_20724763"></span> + <span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="7" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724763)"></a> + <span class='storyon'></span> + </span> + </div> + <br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">This is done with OCR, + specially when digitizing things.<p>The Internet + Archive does this a lot. There was an old 90s book + that I needed but they never made an electronic + edition. So the internet archive, scanned and + digitized it with character recognition to make a + select-able PDF like this, as well an epub that can + be read on your phone like any other ebook.<p>Now + that book is available for anyone to borrow and + read. (its still copyrighted so you gotta access + it via their DRM controlled app/website, but + that can be easily broken and its better than not + having access to that book at all)</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724763&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724763">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724789'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="80"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724789' + href='vote?id=20724789&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=the-dude" class="hnuser">the-dude</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20724789">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724789"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="6" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724789)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Thanks for the heads-up. Of + course I do know what OCR is. Just hadn't seen it + combined in the wild like this.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724789&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724789">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724935'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="120"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724935' + href='vote?id=20724935&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=rayiner" class="hnuser">rayiner</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20724935">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724935"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="5" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724935)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Acrobat has had this as a + built in feature forever.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724935&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724935">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725011'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="160"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725011' + href='vote?id=20725011&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=the-dude" class="hnuser">the-dude</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20725011">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20725011"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="2" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725011)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Didn't know that either. + Makes me wonder if my browser ( PDF.js ) is doing the + OCR? Anybody knows?</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725011&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725011">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725617'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="200"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725617' + href='vote?id=20725617&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=philipkglass" + class="hnuser">philipkglass</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725617">3 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725617"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725617)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">He means that Acrobat Pro + includes an OCR system that you can use to add a + searchable text layer to scanned documents. Readers + like Acrobat Reader and PDF.js do not perform OCR. You + won't be able to use them to search scanned + documents if the document creator did not run OCR.<p> + Google runs its own OCR pass on scanned PDF + documents in order to index them better. It can be + annoying when you get a 50 page scanned document as + a search result and then find out that it + doesn't include a text layer, so you need to + run your own OCR or skim the whole thing to find the + relevant parts.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725617&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725617">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725206'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="160"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725206' + href='vote?id=20725206&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=agumonkey" + class="hnuser">agumonkey</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725206">4 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725206"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725206)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">True, but as parent, I + realized that only very recently.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725206&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725206">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725003'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="160"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725003' + href='vote?id=20725003&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=alttab" class="hnuser">alttab</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20725003">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20725003"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725003)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c5a">Guy's login is + "the-dude," he's been around for a + while.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725003&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725003">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724688'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724688' + href='vote?id=20724688&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=leggomylibro" + class="hnuser">leggomylibro</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20724688">6 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724688"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724688)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">It's called Optical + Character Recognition:<p><a + href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition" + rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition</a> + <p>One of the few applications where ML-based image + recognition actually works reliably enough for + real-world applications; the USPS has been using + neural nets to read zip codes for decades.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724688&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724688">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20726063'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20726063' + href='vote?id=20726063&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=dinofacedude" + class="hnuser">dinofacedude</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20726063">2 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20726063"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20726063)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">You see it a lot in academic + databases</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20726063&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320726063">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724751'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724751' + href='vote?id=20724751&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=damidekronik" + class="hnuser">damidekronik</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20724751">5 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724751"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="20" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724751)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">"Consequently, a few + decades hence energy may be free—just + like the unmetered air—with coal and oil used mainly + as raw materials for organic chemical synthesis, to + which, as experience has shown, their properties are + best suited."<p>I am wondering why this + prediction is so off given how other ones are spot + on? How the situation back then made John von + Neumann believe it, and what happened differently, + moving this into the realms of fantasy.<p>Perhaps if + an another effort of a scale of the Manhattan + Project had happened, the concept of the + "free energy" would have been more + realistic.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724751&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724751">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724814'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724814' + href='vote?id=20724814&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=jaysonelliot" + class="hnuser">jaysonelliot</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20724814">5 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724814"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="11" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724814)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">"Too cheap to + meter" was a common assumption about the future + of nuclear power when it first began. If you only look + at the amount of power available based on the raw + materials, it's a reasonable prediction.<p>They + simply didn't take into account all of the + associated costs and complexities that would be + involved with the actual nuclear power plants, not + to mention the political and social complications. + <p>That doesn't mean such a future can never + happen, it's theoretically possible. + We're simply in a place right now where + it's hard to imagine with our current level + of technology and our current energy + economy.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724814&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724814">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724911'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="80"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724911' + href='vote?id=20724911&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=rayiner" class="hnuser">rayiner</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20724911">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724911"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="6" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724911)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">They didn’t expect that + government regulation would kill innovation in the + nuclear industry. If nuclear plants had not been + regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have abundant, + clean power today. We may have had hundreds of + thousands more dead from nuclear accidents, but that + would pale in comparison to the tens of millions saved + by phasing out coal earlier and pushing off climate + change.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724911&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724911">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724915'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="120"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724915' + href='vote?id=20724915&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=dragonwriter" + class="hnuser">dragonwriter</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20724915">5 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724915"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="2" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724915)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">> They didn’t expect that + government regulation would kill innovation in the + nuclear industry. If nuclear plants had not been + regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have abundant, + clean power today.<p>The regulation is basically a + liability shield and subsidy, the industry wants + more, not less, of it to build plants.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724915&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724915">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724947'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="160"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724947' + href='vote?id=20724947&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=rayiner" class="hnuser">rayiner</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20724947">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724947"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724947)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">That doesn’t mean that + regulation doesn’t impede innovation, e.g. by + eliminating the incentive to adopt safer cycles. + Moreover, the onerous review of reactor designs means + there is a high incentive to stick with older designs + that have already been reviewed by the government. + (Thats a double whammy, because it makes newer, safer + designs harder to deploy while reducing the incentive + to deploy them.)</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724947&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724947">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725351'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="120"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725351' + href='vote?id=20725351&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=dctoedt" class="hnuser">dctoedt</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20725351">4 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20725351"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725351)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">> <i>If nuclear plants had + not been regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have + abundant, clean power today. We may have had + hundreds of thousands more dead from nuclear + accidents, but that would pale in comparison to the + tens of millions saved by phasing out coal earlier + and pushing off climate change.</i> + <p>And if wishes were horses .... It's hard to + imagine how any democratic society could have gotten + past the salience bias to make that happen. (Also, + there's the better-the-devil-you-know + familiarity bias working in coal's favor, to + say nothing of the political influence of voters + depending directly or indirectly on coal for their + livelihoods.)<p>EDIT: This also brought to mind the + trolley problem [0], with the added wrinkle that + it's not possible to predict with any + confidence which specific persons would actually + be injured or killed.<p>[0] <a + href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem" + rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem</a> + </span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725351&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725351">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725695'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="120"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725695' + href='vote?id=20725695&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=jodrellblank" + class="hnuser">jodrellblank</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725695">3 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725695"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="2" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725695)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00"><i>If nuclear plants had not + been regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have + abundant, clean power today.</i> + <p>Are African and Latin American countries with less + effective governments and less regulation are + leading the world in innovation, cheap nuclear + power, genetic engineering and so on?<p>A casual + disregard for the living and a "happily ever + after" fairy tale correlates pretty well with + a lot of cult and religious behaviours, and + associated human tragedies, but not very well with + actual happily ever after, I think. + </span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725695&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725695">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725825'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="160"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725825' + href='vote?id=20725825&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=rayiner" class="hnuser">rayiner</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20725825">2 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20725825"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725825)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Low regulation is a necessary + but not sufficient condition for innovation. You also + need the predicate technologies, precision + manufacturing capabilities, etc. But within the US, + where we have those things, loosely regulated + industries (like the Internet) have consistently + evolved faster than heavily regulated ones.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725825&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725825">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724847'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="80"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724847' + href='vote?id=20724847&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=damidekronik" + class="hnuser">damidekronik</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20724847">5 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724847"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724847)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Yea, that is of my + understanding too. There was no need for any great + advance in that matter at the time. Now however, the + situation is different, and yet, not as pressing as + the global conflict back then to fund another + "Los Alamos".</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724847&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724847">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725187'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="80"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725187' + href='vote?id=20725187&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=agumonkey" + class="hnuser">agumonkey</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725187">4 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725187"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725187)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">I wonder if they had the + 'capacity paradox' in mind, where the more + you can have, you more you will use. In the 50s energy + usage were quite minuscule compared to today I + think.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725187&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725187">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724819'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="80"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724819' + href='vote?id=20724819&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=DanBC" class="hnuser">DanBC</a> <span + class="age"><a href="item?id=20724819">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724819"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="2" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724819)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">> We're simply in a + place right now where it's hard to imagine with + our current level of technology and our current energy + economy.<p>...and the fact we have about 4bn more + people here than we did in 1960.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724819&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724819">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725328'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="120"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725328' + href='vote?id=20725328&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=dragonwriter" + class="hnuser">dragonwriter</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725328">4 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725328"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725328)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">We have far fewer people than + growth rate at the time suggested; IIRC, around that + time growth was viewed as exponential with a doubling + period of ~35 years, had it continued the population + would be 10.74 bn now, nearly 1.5× what it.<p>So, no, + population (at least <i>high</i> population) + isn't something that was unforeseen.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725328&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725328">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725454'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725454' + href='vote?id=20725454&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=carapace" class="hnuser">carapace</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20725454">3 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20725454"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725454)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">The sequestration of atomic + technology (not just power) is one of the rare areas + where the interests of the good guys and bad guys + coincide.<p>Energy <i>is</i> free: we have a fusion + generator that runs 24/7 with no maintenance + and is so powerful it can burn out your retinas from + 150 million kilometers away.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725454&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725454">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724797'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724797' + href='vote?id=20724797&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=tim58" class="hnuser">tim58</a> <span + class="age"><a href="item?id=20724797">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724797"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724797)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">This was before Chernobyl, + and without Chernobyl the industrialized world would + probably be mainly on nuclear fission power by now.<p> + This was also at a time when nuclear fusion energy + was theoretically possible but before half a century + of research has labeled the problem 'very + hard'.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724797&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724797">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725213'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725213' + href='vote?id=20725213&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=CamouflagedKiwi" + class="hnuser">CamouflagedKiwi</a> <span + class="age"><a href="item?id=20725213">4 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20725213"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725213)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Sounds a bit like the Jevons + paradox - we improve the efficiency of energy + consumption, but it does not result in it being free, + because demand increases to counter.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725213&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725213">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724994'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724994' + href='vote?id=20724994&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=Spooky23" class="hnuser">Spooky23</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20724994">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724994"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724994)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Demand increased + dramatically.<p>If federal mortgage rules empathized + solar, you’d see near free energy production in + residential in a decade or two.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724994&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724994">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725247'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725247' + href='vote?id=20725247&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=philipkglass" + class="hnuser">philipkglass</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725247">4 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725247"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725247)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">He made other incorrect + predictions in the same document. We continue to + (incidentally and carelessly) change the climate, but + have yet to achieve anything like the reliably + controllable weather he anticipated.<p>He also + incorrectly anticipated that atomic transmutation of + the elements would become a bigger trend than + chemical rearrangement of existing elements.<p> + "It is worth emphasizing that the main trend + will be systematic exploration of nuclear + reactions — that is, the transmutation of + elements, or alchemy rather than chemistry." + <p>As for why he was mistaken about nuclear power, + it's possible that he was extrapolating + from the fantastically rapid progress of nuclear + weapons technology. Fission was demonstrated in + 1938, the first chain reaction in 1942, the + first fission weapon in 1945. The first megaton + scale thermonuclear explosion was demonstrated + in 1952 and serial production of thermonuclear + weapons began in 1954. Between 1944 and 1954 the + explosive power of the largest military bombs + went up by a factor of roughly <i>two + million</i> [1] [2]. There was a 2300-fold + leap from Grand Slam to Little Boy (6.5 tons TNT + equivalent to 15 kilotons) and another + thousand-fold leap from Little Boy to Castle + Bravo (15 kilotons to 15 megatons).<p>The + challenges of making useful power reactors for + electricity production are much different. + Civilian power reactors have to compete with + other electricity sources on cost. They have + to produce power for decades rather than a + fraction of a second. They are expected to + fully contain fission products rather than + disperse them widely as fallout. Recall that + at the time of this writing, 1955, no country + had yet built a power reactor comparable in + output to large coal or hydroelectric plants. + There had only been some small demonstrations + like the 2 megawatts of electricity produced + by the BORAX-III reactor. The actual + difficulties to be encountered at larger + scales were not yet known.<p>Finally, + "affordable" electricity was a + moving target. In constant dollars, large + American industrial buyers were paying 40% + less per megawatt hour in 1970 than they + were in 1950 [3]. Concerns about acutely + hazardous air pollution were not yet + widespread enough to justify a cost premium + over fossil-generated power. Widespread + concerns about greenhouse gas emissions were + even further off.<p>[1] <a + href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)" + rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)</a> + <p>[2] <a + href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_17_nuclear_bomb" + rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_17_nuclear_bomb</a> + <p>[3] <a + href="https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/histstats-colonial-1970.pdf" + rel="nofollow">https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/histstats-colonial-1970.p...</a> + - page 827</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725247&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725247">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725001'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725001' + href='vote?id=20725001&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=n-exploit" + class="hnuser">n-exploit</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725001">5 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725001"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="3" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725001)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c73">Within the U.S. - we live in + a profit-maximizing capitalist structure. Why would + any economic entity give something away for free when + a profit can be made?</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725001&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725001">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725134'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="80"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725134' + href='vote?id=20725134&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=al3xandre" + class="hnuser">al3xandre</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20725134">4 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20725134"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="2" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725134)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">Competition pushing price + down to a near-zero cost base? like the $1 + microcontroller you can buy today.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725134&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725134">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725272'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="120"> + </td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725272' + href='vote?id=20725272&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=hhh" class="hnuser">hhh</a> <span + class="age"><a href="item?id=20725272">4 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20725272"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20725272)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">or the one cent + microcontroller you can buy today.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20725272&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320725272">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724835'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724835' + href='vote?id=20724835&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=hi41" class="hnuser">hi41</a> <span + class="age"><a href="item?id=20724835">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724835"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="1" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724835)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">I remember the immortal words + of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. about man being able to + master technology and yet not have have grown + comparably enough in spirituality to live as + brothers.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724835&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724835">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724368'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724368' + href='vote?id=20724368&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=aidanrocke" + class="hnuser">aidanrocke</a> <span class="age"><a + href="item?id=20724368">7 hours ago</a></span> + <span id="unv_20724368"></span><span + class="par"></span> <a class="togg" n="1" + href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724368)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">For the kind of explosiveness + that man + will be able to contrive by 1980, the globe + is dangerously small, its political units + dangerously unstable.-John von Neumann</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724368&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724368">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20724750'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20724750' + href='vote?id=20724750&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; margin-bottom:-10px;"><span + class="comhead"> + <a href="user?id=c3534l" class="hnuser">c3534l</a> + <span class="age"><a href="item?id=20724750">5 hours + ago</a></span> <span + id="unv_20724750"></span><span class="par"></span> + <a class="togg" n="2" href="javascript:void(0)" + onclick="return toggle(event, 20724750)"></a> <span + class='storyon'></span> + </span></div><br> + <div class="comment"> + <span class="commtext c00">I'm not sure if there + ever existed a man as ahead of his time as Von + Neumann.</span> + <div class='reply'> + <p> + <font size="1"> + <u><a + href="reply?id=20724750&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363%2320724750">reply</a></u> + </font> + </div> + </div> + </td> + </tr> + </table> + </td> + </tr> + <tr class='athing comtr ' id='20725525'> + <td> + <table border='0'> + <tr> + <td class='ind'><img src="s.gif" height="1" width="40"></td> + <td valign="top" class="votelinks"> + <center><a id='up_20725525' + href='vote?id=20725525&how=up&goto=item%3Fid%3D20724363'> + <div class='votearrow' title='upvote'></div> + </a></center> + </td> + <td class="default"> + <div style="margin-top:2px; 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